Here we go for the next session, talking about where broadcasting is going, with Barnaby Marshall, Amber MacArthur, Jian Ghomeshi, and Andrew Baron. Here some notes from the session (my comments in italics):
- Barnaby started off with a survey of the audience. It seems satellite radio is not that popular, but lots of people like iPods and have bought music on iTunes. “Buying music is the new piracy.”
- Jian says, at the end of the day, while the platforms may be changes, the major players won’t. This is both telling, and somewhat disheartening. I disagree here. BoingBoing anyone?
- The New York Times print may be dying, but the New York Times itself will not. The traditional media have done a great job of scrambling to diversify. Really? Name another great example besides News Corp. Murdoch is the only one who really gets it.
- Andrew says the music industry has lost control. Apple is the now the single entity that is determining prices, etc.
- Rocketboom could not have existed a few years ago, but now that its possible, Andrew thinks we’ll start to see things change.
- Amber thinks the most interesting thing is reach. You really can’t compare the number of eyeballs in Canada to the number of eyeballs worldwide, and that’s a big difference between old and new media. Amber says old media needs to be believe in the power of new media.
- Amber says NBC asking YouTube to pull content is pretty shortsighted. You have to get in the game, or you’re going to get left behind.
- Jian says that Pandora is a great example of a service that allows people to get excited about something while putting up with advertising. He doesn’t believe however that you can boil music down to mathematical equations.
- Jian says Yahoo Music is overly confident in suggesting their goal is the death of terrestrial radio. He thinks people still want to own something, they don’t want to rent.
- Someone in the audience just brought up my mantra, though he calls it ubiquitous wifi. I call it wireless everywhere. Why do I need an iPod or a satellite radio? Barnaby says Google’s project is incredibly disruptive, and Amber says satellite radio will die if it happens. Jian thinks that wireless in the automobile will be the turning point.
- Why will traditional media not die? Because they can buy the new media, seems to be Jian’s answer.
- Andrew says the big companies are going to be sharing, they won’t be in control.
- “Is Seinfeld any funnier in HD?”
- Jian thinks on demand in general is what’s shaking in the industry.
- To do things like The Sopranos or 24, you need the best writers, the best actors, etc. And no matter what the platform is, that stuff will be successful.
- Amber says that even if a lot of people can do it, only a few can do it well.
- Someone says that people are habitual, they get home, sit on the couch, turn on the TV. “Editorialize to me because I don’t have time to think!” Is traditional media really going to die?
Just got back from lunch, and I decided to attend the session about bloggers and journalists, featuring Matthew Ingram, Om Malik, Michael Tippet, and Scott Karp. The Editor-In-Chief of Dose is sitting right behind me, which is kind of cool. Should bloggers be treated as journalists? Here some notes from the session:
- Scott says bloggers can be journalists, sometimes. And blogs can be journalism, sometimes. Finding that middle ground is the tricky part. News gathering has to happen in a lot of places where it requires an institution or money.
- Matthew seems to think the recent participatory journalism survey on The Economist is a good example of something you wouldn’t see on a blog, because of the time and effort involved. Basically, they have the resources available whereas most bloggers simply don’t.
- Om will give the people that pay him first right of refusal on breaking stories, but will post on his blog if he can’t reach them (say if news breaks at 2 AM). Om sees the blog almost as a reporter’s notebook, more than anything else.
- Michael says that from the perspective of consumers, this dichotomy is ridiculous. They just want pictures, stories, they want the stuff. When you’ve got 500 photos of an event coming in, you get a sense of what’s really happening. Most of the stuff reported on NowPublic is big spectacle events, things like Katrina, etc.
- Michael says trust is important, he trusts the Globe and Mail, but he also trusts his friends.
- Matthew says that on Google News, many of the articles are repeated, because many outlets use something like AP, so its refreshing to see photos from someone actually on the ground.
- Om says this whole user generated media thing is a big myth. Say if you take photos on holidays, you’ve got maybe 20 good photos out of 500. Om says that 80% of the time, user generated stuff is crap, and it applies through any media. Om says there is a reason that people turn to established media outlets, like credibility and packaging.
- Scott thinks user generated media functions in a spiking fashion, once in a while, something strikes a nerve. Matthew says it also makes it easier to find stories of interest in the future.
- Om says that user generated media is just like forums, we’ve finally figured out how to do forums correctly, but you can’t make a big deal out of it.
- Om isn’t against participatory journalism, but sometimes too much is too much.
- Michael says the goal is to find likeminded individuals, not necessarily to have the front page story on NYTimes.
- Om: Look at American Idol – not everyone can sing, but everyone loves to vote.
- It’s more citizen editors than citizen journalists.
- Om says, find me someone in this room who doesn’t have an agenda. Is there really objectivity?
- Michael says he likes to gather a plurality of viewpoints.
- Om says people who aspire to be editors online in the future are going to be aggregators. Trusting users to make the right call is the only way to go, that’s why Digg is doing better than the NYTimes.
- The biggest thing that Om has learned is to be willing to apologize, you self-correct in real-time. Be flexible to listen to your readers, and just say sorry when you’re wrong.
The second keynote of the morning is with Rob Hyndman and Dr. Michael Geist, who will be chatting about the web and society. Here are my notes, with my comments again in italics. I think Michael looks a little like Billy Crystal.
- Oooh a slidedeck! Michael Geist is opening with a presentation, and he’s using pictures on slides just like we saw at Northern Voice. Seems to be a popular format. He’s talking about Sam Bulte and the copyright fiasco that happened over the holidays. He’s an excellent speaker. I guess the bloggers defeated Bulte in the last election. Or did they?
- Three lessons we can draw: new voices, new stakeholders, new copyright.
- There is a tendency at times to focus on the negativity of what’s taking place (spam, porn, etc). There is some remarkable stuff taking place: content creation, content sharing, good news story.
- Readership of papers is flat in Canada, in decline in the US.
- Canadian retail sales of books remain constant. Records for vide games. Declines for music.
- “What is more long tail than Canadian content?”
- Michael’s question is what’s the policy to ensure this great stuff continues, and in fact, to encourage it?
Now we’re getting to the conversation.
- Rob says “after hearing Michael speak, I feel like going out to run a marathon, the world is gonna be okay.” Agreed.
- We’re looking at new legislation being introduced probably this fall. Michael says that US-style law is protection for things like DRM. The tools and laws don’t work.
- What about iTunes, it requires DRM, doesn’t that tell us something? Michael says it tells us something about the labels, only willing to do it when DRM came around. It will be unfortunate if we end up in a world with only iTunes.
- Where is the Canadian content? Apple doesn’t need to negotiate deals with the smaller companies, so these things are missing.
- We saw some movment in France to try and rollback DRM, are there signs that there is some flexibility? Michael says users already have control over content, the question is whether we’re going to lock them up for it. A growing number of countries are recognizing that policies put into place in the 1990s are outdated, and don’t reflect the current state of the web.
- We’re seeing a move to a more collaborative method of content creation. What does this tell us about the ideal model of intellectual property protection? Rob says he isn’t anti-copyright, but we need to understand that some of the reforms are not about copyright, but protecting markets. DVD region encoding, for example, has nothing to do with copyright.
- Question from the floor: do we need new copyright policy in Canada or not? Michael says the starting point is “do no harm.” There are some opportunities: we have a fairly limited fair use right, which is stifling to new business, for example. There is an opportunity to do good, but we can do a lot of harm along the way.
- What is the current political reality? The Canadian Recording Industry is about as good a lobbying group as there is. When musicians finally speak out, it’s a breath of fresh air, but you can’t undo twenty years of lobbying in two weeks. Matthew Good and the Barenaked Ladies are leaders in this space. There’s a new coalition of artists.
- Question about the SOCAN levies: Michael says their vision of levies really went to liabilities. It’s unlikely we’ll see a lot of people push in that direction.
- Another question: Do you see young people getting more politically active if their fun is limited? Michael says it is tough to say, but if there is an issue, this is it. More and more people are starting to see this as their issue, for example, the musicians.
- Michael says there will unquestionably be infringements, but that’s why we have a system, so that we have a set of rules and we have certain abilities when someone clearly violates. This may be a very smart room, but none of us is smart enough to see what the world will look like in a few years. But I would argue that all of us is smart enough, the wisdom of crowds!
- This is not just a copyright issue, net neutrality plays a big role. Michael says it is absolutely an issue here in Canada, for example, what happened with Telus during the lockout. If you have economic incentive to block content, and no laws in place to say you can’t use market power to do that, then we’ve got problems.
- Michael says we need to rethink policies that are developed with the idea that everyone will want incentive (say getting paid for blogging).
Here are some notes from the first keynote of the day, featuring Om Malik and a discussion between Om and Mark Evans of the National Post. Items in italics are my thoughts and comments. They are discussing the future of media:
- Kind of cool, two green couches up on stage for this conversation.
- Can the old world of media survive, and if so, how do they adopt? Om says he doesn’t see the difference between old world and new world at all. As long as the information is delivered.
- Traditional media faces challenges because some people simply shouldn’t be in the traditional publishing business Om says. He thinks it would be impossible to replace things like the NY Times or National Post or WSJ.
- Are bloggers journalists? Om says people in that debate have too much time on their hands.
- Mark says a lot of newspapers are still struggling with the online business model. If they haven’t been able to embrace the web, how can they embrace blogs and podcasts and things? Om says if they don’t, they face a bigger problem, which is a whole new generation that only consumes their news online (sounds a lot like me).
- Om says that Forbes.com is really saving Forbes’ bacon right now.
- The hundreds of newspapers that will disappear are probably bad newspapers, Om thinks. It won’t be papers like the New York Times – “that said, I’ll be glad to see a lot of newspapers go.”
- Om says blogs are killing off the trade press more than anything.
- Mark asks about television, watching what you want when you want? Om says the mainstream market doesn’t really care, there haven’t been that many Tivos sold. He says TV is still a passive medium, people just want to sit there and watch whatever’s on, for the most part. Regular people don’t care about Tivo’s.
- Apparently Mark Evans likes The Sopranos, and has a bunch recorded on his PVR, ready to watch. I’ve still never seen an episode of that show.
- Mark asks about the Three C’s – credibility, content, and cash.
- Om says getting discovered is harder than attaining credibility. People can make judgement calls if they find the blog. Credibility comes from the content you create, and in the end, people recognize what’s good and what’s bad.
- Mark thinks newspapers can survive in local markets, for local advertisers. Om thinks there is an opportunity for local-focused startups.
And now, some questions from the floor.
- Are we underestimating the capacity of the day-to-day world of print, where you basically have a free license to spam?
- What about Craigslist? Om says the newspapers are up against free classifieds, but otherwise, Craigslist is a different kind of beast.
- “When information is free, the only thing of value is point of view.” Do you think that’s a helpful paradigm? Om says context is more valuable, you have to put everything in context, and most of the time, people fail to do this. People confuse opinion with context. Om says context is the single biggest thing missing in the news today.
- Imagine a future in which you get the news on a digital paper. How far are we from that world? Om has no clue.
- About the economics of blogging – how is one to establish themselves financially? (Boris Mann beside me says, join a network, next question! Agreed.) Om says he is part of Federated Media, which is an aggregated network. What we need is a new kind of advertising paradigm. Om says advertising is seriously lagging in the blogging space. Mark remarks that many reasons people blog now are not financial, they just want to get their point of view out there.
- Question about net neutrality. Om says from a blog publishing point of view, its not much of an issue. Mark wonders if it is a way for traditional media to protect themselves online, because they can pay. Om says there is room for independent media, they don’t need to be streaming high def!
- Question about transitioning from tradtitional newspaper to online. Om says lifestyle, sports, and business support the paper. In the online world, you can finetune things, maybe using AP or Reuters for international news instead of your own team. Om says the concept of magazines is not going away anytime soon.
- How do we effectively change that paradigm of advertising. I can turn off my ads on a website using Firefox – how do advertisers deal with that? Om: Internet Explorer, 85% market share. I would say that since Google pretty much owns Firefox, and their business is advertising (not search!), I wouldn’t expect it to get any worse than it already is. Om says he can’t believe the number of people that click on his Google ads. Mark: “who are these people?!”
- Om says the blogs that provide value with stick around, and the ones that don’t will go away. “Every user comes with their finger poised on the back button.” Boris remarks that RSS hasn’t come up once yet. How many people in this audience visit Om’s blog on the web? Probably most use RSS.
- Ah what do you know, the next question comes up, and Om answers with RSS. The question was about monetizing information, can we actually do it? Om says in reality, there is a fundamental change happening, with a new format of information distribution and consumption, and the business model needs to be worked out.
- What does it look like in three years? Om says it will look pretty similar. NYTimes or WSJ might hire some bloggers, but things aren’t moving as fast as people think. You will see the biggest media experiment.
- Boris gets to ask a question: he says he only uses RSS, he never visits the websites. Blogs are conversations, Boris can’t have a conversation with the National Post! So no question, but just comments, but he made a good point, and Om agrees. Om says RSS is a challenge, but its a huge opportunity. Whoever can figure out a new advertising model right now stands to make a lot of money. Mark says old media is failing miserably at creating a conversation.
- Seems people get their news mostly from the same services. Are you concerned about how that affects the conversation? Om says the real intelligence of blogs is in the comments.
Not surprisingly, this session went slightly over time.
Stuart MacDonald is on stage welcoming everyone to the conference. He says they want the event to be a two-way conversation, full of meshing, instead of the typical “we talk you listen” kind of conference. “Think of yourselves as participants, rather than attendees,” they say.
Introductions to the organizers, thanks to the sponsors, etc, etc. Housekeeping stuff, there is free WiFi, and there is power in the floor (though we can’t figure out how to open the panel). Please turn off your BlackBerry’s (apparently they make a clicking noise?). On with the show!
Just arrived here in the auditorium for Mesh 06, and I’m ready to go! I’ve got my Oilers jersey on, sticking out like a sore thumb amongst all the khakis and dress shirts, but that’s cool. I’ll have lots of pictures to post throughout the day, so check out Flickr. There’s lots of people here already, with more and more coming in.
I haven’t seen as many people I know as I did in Vancouver yet, but that’s to be expected, as most of the attendees here are probably east coasters.
It wasn’t looking good last night after I went to sleep – I woke up coughing and ended up being seriously ill. Fortunately it only lasted for about an hour. I felt fine before, and I felt fine afterward, so maybe it was something I ate? In any case, I’m back to normal.
Dickson and I are off for Mesh in Toronto in a few hours. The conference is Canada’s first ever dedicated to Web 2.0, so I am really looking forward to it. As per usual, conference related posts will have the picture shown to the right, allowing you to skip right over them if you want! We should arrive in Toronto just before the start of the Oiler game tonight, so hopefully we won’t miss too much of it.
The conference runs Monday and Tuesday. We’re going to see The Lord of The Rings Broadway show on Wednesday, but aside from that, we’ve kept our schedules open. If you want to get together in TO, give me call (780.619.3864). If you need to get a hold of me for non-urgent things, email will work best.
Next post will likely be from Toronto!